Radiolab: Listenables

Jad and Robert: The Early Years

May 6, 2008 – 1:43 am

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Ever wonder how Jad and Robert met? Well it all began with an everyday encounter where they discovered they both went to the same small liberal arts college in Ohio. For this week’s podcast, the guys go on stage at Oberlin College to tell the tale of their meeting and how they started tinkering around with tape to come up with the Radiolab you know today.

Vintage Radiolab alert! You’ll hear the very first piece Jad and Robert made together. It’s an audio-experiment called “Flag Day” that they submitted to This American Life. TAL’s Ira Glass and Julie Snyder phone in to share what they thought of it.

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What is fMRI and what is it measuring?

April 30, 2008 – 6:00 am

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As Radio Lab explores some of the tangents from our show on Deception, we’ve interviewed neuroscientists attempting to detect lies using changes in brain activity. But how do we see brain activity and get such colorful pictures of it? You might think it’s based on neural electric activity. This is true for EEG but not for fMRI, which is used in the majority of these brain function studies. As Wired.com’s Steve Silberman explains, it all starts with hemoglobin. Yes, the tiny protein responsible for carrying oxygen to the brain or any other organ for that matter, is the basis for studying brain activity.

To get a better sense of how hemoglobin tells us what we’re thinking about, Silberman goes to Professor Joy Hirsch’s lab at Columbia to see exactly what goes into these studies of lie detection.

Listen to this clip of Robert’s interview with Steve Silberman:

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Where do lies come from?

April 28, 2008 – 6:00 am

We interviewed Dan Langleben while researching for our show on Deception. He says he can see differences in brain activity when a lie is told about a playing card in your pocket. He identified a few regions in the brain that changed in metabolism during a lie. That is, it seemed as though it took more energy for the brain to lie.

The exact functions of these brain regions can be controversial but they may be involved in deception:
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IFC, Inferior frontal gyri or Inferior frontal Cortex (semantics and control over behavior)
Premotor Cortex (activate motor activity through the primary motor cortex)
ACC, Anterior Cingulate Cortex (reward, decisions, empathy)
Fusiform gyrus or body (face recognition)

Listen to Dan Langleben talking to Jad about these brain regions:

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Pre-911, before Dr. Langleben received heaps of money to study deception, he studied children with ADD. Here he discusses the connection between two seemingly disconnected areas of research and the improvements in the technology that made his transition possible:

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In his study, Langleben was careful to control for “salience”. This means he wanted to make sure the brain activity he saw wasn’t just due to excitement in seeing the card in their pocket. But there may also be some usefulness for this control:

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Pop Music

April 22, 2008 – 1:46 am

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Why do some songs mercilessly stick in our heads and repeat themselves over and over? What makes these hooks so hooky? And how does a songwriter will a song forth from the ether? In this episode, nightmarish stories of musical hallucinations, songs that transcend language, and the triumphant return of the Elvis of Afghanistan.

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Sensing a lie from across the room

April 14, 2008 – 9:00 am

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During the making of the show Deception, Radio Lab explored the possibility of fMRI-based lie detectors. But what if we could detect lies remotely? What if we could know someone’s lying without them knowing that we know they are… Well Britton Chance takes us one step closer to making science fiction a reality.

Jad and Ellen go to visit this professor of biophysics and he likens the brain’s prefrontal cortex to a familiar Disney friend:

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He then explains the concept behind remote lie detection. His “Phased Array Image System” uses light to detect a lie from across the room:

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Testing the imager on a baby (if listening, open in new window):
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Using the plans below, build your own phased array images system!!
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Brought to you by the man who developed RADAR:

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(So-Called) Life

April 8, 2008 – 1:32 am

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What are the consequences when humans start playing with life? The human imagination has always dreamed up fantastic creatures, but now biotechnology is making it easier and easier for us to actually create forms of life that have never existed before. In this episode Radio Lab looks at the uneasy marriage between biology and engineering, and asks what counts as “natural?”

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Can one see the shape of a lie?

April 1, 2008 – 10:01 pm

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Is this your card? Don’t lie or neuroscientist Dan Langleben may catch you. In our recent show Deception, Radio Lab explores how Paul Ekman can see the truth “leak out” through microexpressions in the face, but Langleben wants to go deeper.

What if we could watch the brain as it’s telling a lie? Would we see something different? This is the first topic in our new series of explorations in neuroscience, “Mouse in amaze”. Jad asks Langleben how he uses fMRI and the “Guilty Knowledge Test” to see what’s happening in the brain when we tell a lie. $20 to fool a brain scanner? Sign me up!

Listen to Jad’s interview with Dan Langleben:

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See what Jad is being shown (if you’re currently listening it’s best to open it in a new window):
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The concept behind this test is actually taken from an old paradigm previously used to determine the accuracy of the polygraph. The polygraph has been found to be largely inaccurate probably because it measures perspiration, heart rate and breathing, which are all indirectly related to the act of telling a lie.

Dr. Langleben comments on the polygraph:

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Scientist Profiles: Elias Cohen

March 31, 2008 – 5:00 am

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Have you ever looked a red and blue barber’s pole and wondered why the stripes seem to be traveling up, rather than around the pole? Or have you looked at a still-life painting where the vase looked so real you could almost pick it up, even though it was just a painting? These two examples raise some interesting questions about how we interpret the things we see.

Dr. Elias Cohen is looking for the answers to such quandaries and is the first guest in our new series of scientist profiles. In this series we drop in on scientists in their labs to chat about who they are and what they do.

Dr. Cohen researches visual perception at the Vision Science Center at the SUNY College of Optometry in New York City. He studies the visual cues which help us understand that something is moving, round or symmetric (for example), and what that tells us about how the human brain processes visual information. Researchers in the field of visual perception hope to understand how our sense of sight gathers information from our surroundings and how it shapes our experiences of the world.

Anna Boiko-Weyrauch followed Dr. Cohen around the lab:

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Read more about Dr. Elias Cohen’s work.

Or see an optical illusion with a Necker Cube here.

War of the Worlds

March 25, 2008 – 1:09 am

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An examination of the power of mass media to create panic. In Radio Lab’s very first live hour, we take a deep dive into one of the most controversial moments in broadcasting history - Orson Welles’ 1938 radio play about Martians invading New Jersey. And we ask: Why did it fool people then? And why has it continued to fool people since? From Santiago, Chile to Buffalo, New York to a particularly disastrous evening in Quito, Ecuador.

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Hallucinating Sound

March 21, 2008 – 1:02 am

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Hello everyone. Jad here.

I wanna tell you real quick about my experience hallucinating the sound of bees. And Fleetwood Mac.

First, some background: In our Pop Music show we talked to music psychologist Diana Deutsch (of “sometimes behave so strangely“) about a mysterious and understudied condition called Musical Hallucinations. As the name suggests, people with this condition hallucinate music. A song will invade their heads, uninvited (like happens to everyone), but in the case of these poor folks, the intruding song is bizarrely vivid, often excruciating loud, emanating from a specific source (like out the window) and often at the wrong speed.

When I asked Diana Deutsch why this happens, her answer: we don’t know, really. But one thing she’s noticed - and others, like neurologists Tim Griffith and Oliver Sacks have noticed this too - the majority of people who suffer from musical hallucinations have hearing loss.

Perhaps, she speculates, when the brain is deprived of sound, it’ll rummage through its own musical memories to fill the silence. Maybe the hearing neurons need exercise. Who knows. Either way, she says a very similar thing can happen with sight when people go blind.

Here’s Diana Deutsch:

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I wondered about this theory… Does it apply only to permanently hearing-loss?
Or might it apply also to temporary hearing-loss?

Like, what if a person without hearing-loss were to put themselves in a very, very, very quiet place?
Would they hallucinate?

I admit, this question didn’t just pop into my head.

It came from a guy named Steve Orfield, who runs the company Orfield Laboratories in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Here he is giving reporter Larissa Anderson a tour of the labs, including his “anechoic chamber,” which he calls “the quietest room on Earth.” And in passing, he mentions that NASA uses anechoic chambers like his to psychologically test astronauts in training. Space is dead quiet. And apparently, astronauts hallucinating sound is a big enough problem that NASA has to test for it. Interesting, no?

Here’s Steve giving Larissa a tour:

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I wanted to know if it’s true what he’s saying…

So after some poking around, producer Tony Field and I found ourselves, on a rainy Tuesday, at Bell Labs in New Jersey.
(A truly amazing place, by the way. Bell Labs is the birthplace of the computer, fax machine, laser, transistor, fiberoptic cable and about a thousand other technologies).

Deep in the bowels of a nondescript 1950’s era government building is Bell Lab’s very own anechoic chamber, no longer in use.
The nice folks at Bell Labs agreed to open it up for me.

It’s a frightening room at first glance. The door is a thousand pounds, the walls ten feet thick, and everything – floors, ceilings, all surfaces - is covered in yellow acoustic baffling. Stranger still, the floor is made of a wire mesh grid and suspended ten feet off the ground (to prevent sound reflecting off the floor).

I remember thinking two things as I walked in. One: this place looks like a beehive. Two: I can’t believe how much work it takes to keep out sound.
The picture at the top is me in the room, just before they closed the door.

Door closes. Lights off.

Consider: Every room, even the very quietest rooms, have a tone (in fact, in the radio business, we call this “room tone”).
But this room had NO ROOM TONE. No sound at all.

And it’s impossible to describe what true silence does to your ears. The moment the door went thwuck shut, my ear drums started to flutter. As if air was trying to force it’s way out my ears in little puffs. Felt a wee bit nauseous. Crackling. Like shadow static. I think my ears were physically searching for sound.

After about five minutes… A brief, very vivid flash of bees buzzing, like a swarm zooming by my head, doppler style, en route to attack another hive.

Here’s my first entry:

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I’m no idiot. I know my mind invented the bees because ‘bee-hive’ was one of the last thoughts in my head before the lights went out. Regardless, the sound of bees in the dark was disconcerting.

After about twenty minutes, I began to hear a high pitched whine, which persisted. Not a hallucination, I’d later discover. According to the Bell Labbies, this was probably the sound of my circulatory system. I also heard the gentle thud of my heartbeat.

Second entry:

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And finally, after about forty five minutes, another blip of sound, this one impossibly quiet and distant… as if drifted to me on the wind from a neighbor’s radio blocks and blocks away… a song.

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“Everywhere. I wanna be with you everywhere.”

Fleetwood Mac of all things.

I don’t much care for Fleetwood Mac, but there it was. Just for a second. I remember thinking, how’d Fleetwood Mac get in here? And by here, at first I meant “the room” but then made a mental correction a moment later to “my head.” The room is quiet, my head apparently is not.

Still, why Fleetwood Mac? The answer to that question probably would explain a lot.

The utter randomness of what my brain chose to play me convinced me, at least for the moment, that there’s something to this sonic-deprivation-makes-people-hallucinate theory. But it must be said that there are about five thousand reasons why this is not a true experiment, not the least of which is that I was hoping to hallucinate.

I feel compelled to say I’m not crazy. And just to underline that point, here’s a literary example of musical hallucinations from Tim O’Brien’s “The Things They Carried”

“A six-man patrol goes up into the mountains on a basic listening-post operation. The idea’s to spend a week up there, just lie low and listen for enemy movement… they keep strict field discipline. Absolute silence. They just listen…

“So after a couple days the guys start hearing this real soft, kind of wacked-out music. Weird echoes and stuff. Like a radio or something, but it’s not a radio… They try to ignore it…And every night they keep hearing [it]. All kinds of chimes and xylophones. I mean, this is wilderness—no way, it can’t be real—but there it is, like the mountains are tuned in to Radio f–ing Hanoi. Naturally they get nervous. One guy sticks Juicy Fruit in his ears. Another guy almost flips.

In O’Brien’s story (fiction, drawn on his real-life experience in Vietnam), the soldiers get so freaked out by the music that they just start making tons of noise… firing guns off at random into the trees all night long, just to drown out the sound. But then, deprivation comes again:

Around dawn things finally get quiet. Like you never even heard quiet before. One of those real thick, real misty days—just clouds and fog, they’re off in this special zone—and the mountains are absolutely dead-flat silent. Like Brigadoon—pure vapor, you know? Everything’s all sucked up inside the fog. Not a single sound, except they still hear it.


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