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Emergence

By Lulu Miller

July 15, 2008

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What happens when there is no leader? Starlings, bees, and ants manage just fine. In fact, they form staggeringly complicated societies, all without a Toscanini to conduct them into harmony. How? That’s our question this hour. We gaze down at the bottom-up logic of cities, Google, even our very own brains. Featured: author Steven Johnson, fire-flyologists John and Elizabeth Buck, biologist E.O. Wilson, Ant expert Debra Gordon, mathematician Steve Strogatz, economist James Surowiecki, and neurologists Oliver Sacks and Christof Koch.

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Comments

Comment from Anonymous
Date: July 15, 2008, 1:25 pm

this seems like a re-run? rebroadcasting content is not really relevant with podcast technology. Don’t waste my bandwidth.

Comment from Karen Stock
Date: July 15, 2008, 1:30 pm

This excellent episode is rebroadcast-worthy, to my mind. One of the best hours of radio I’ve ever heard. It fed right into some thinking I’ve been doing about change, systems, and spirituality. The firefly segment alone is worth the price of admission.

Comment from Anonymous
Date: July 15, 2008, 2:13 pm

Eh, maybe this should have been marked as a re-broadcast. I was really hoping this was a continuation of my favorite episode…damn.

Comment from Anonymous
Date: July 15, 2008, 7:06 pm

i agree, i can just hit play if i want to hear this again.

Comment from Anonymous
Date: July 15, 2008, 10:41 pm

I would really like to know the artist name for the music about 26 minutes into the podcast. Does anyone know? Thank you.

Comment from eqd
Date: July 16, 2008, 1:06 pm

seriously - i don’t get it. it’s like no one can make a comment critical of the behaviour of radio lab without getting modded down.

they have made excellent programs in the past, but it’s not heresy, nor an insult, to point out that their present mode isn’t living up to what it was in the past.

the show is already published through itunes, and so it is fetch-able at any moment; re-releasing it is through a channel which it is already available is not only muddying, but additionally annoying to people who have their podcast subscription automatically fetch any new episodes.

mod me down as you please, but as someone who gives several hundred dollars a year to WNYC just because i (?used to?) like radio lab, i have as good a right as anyone to be gruff.

Comment from Steven
Date: July 16, 2008, 1:14 pm

edq (and others) have a good point. It just doesn’t make sense to “rebroadcast” content which can be downloaded at anytime.

Comment from name
Date: July 16, 2008, 4:01 pm

well, everybody who follows the show knows this is a re-broadcast. Although I don’t particularly agree with re-broadcasting; I say these shows are amazing; it takes time to create a broadcast like this. So I say cut them some slack, geez. It’s not like anyone is paying for these shows anyway. If you prepaid for the entire season and they sent you a re-broadcast then maybe you could complain. So I say stop whining and delete the re-broadcast; be grateful it’s free!

Comment from Marcy
Date: July 16, 2008, 6:54 pm

Not everyone grew up with fireflies. Us west-coasters are deprived in this area, and I didn’t experience their magic until a summer break when I was nearly 20 years old. Needless to say I was fascinated! I long to make it back to the right geographic region in the right season to see them again.

Comment from Jeff
Date: July 16, 2008, 7:28 pm

Great podcast Keep it up, its very “educational” and gives me food for thought ;)

Comment from Jake
Date: July 16, 2008, 8:18 pm

I don’t mind rebroadcasting, and it’s not at all unusual that Radio Lab does it (This American Life, for example, does it all the time). But it would be nice if the file were labeled as a rebroadcast–I spent 5 or 10 mins listening to this one, trying to figure out if it was a rerun or a sequel.

Minor quibble–I still like you, Radio Lab.

Comment from Andrew S.
Date: July 21, 2008, 1:42 pm

I agree with Jake. Why not put “first broadcast on 1/15/06″ (or whatever date) prominently in the show description? I don’t mind the extra download, it’d just be nice to know without listening to it whether it’s a show I’ve already heard.

Comment from Don Jennings
Date: July 21, 2008, 5:07 pm

I think that the (great) podcast would have been a bit better had it noted that the ants, termites, bees or neurons have to have some kind of internal rules for immediate interactions or the community won’t emerge. There are computer simulations of things like this.

Comment from c.m.
Date: July 21, 2008, 7:45 pm

Seriously…what happened to Radio Lab? Fewer podcasts. Shorter podcasts. Rerunning old podcasts as new. I know, they are in between “seasons” and all, but the “seasons” only seem to be a couple of episodes. I want my old Radio Lab back! (and by old I mean “old quality,” not as in old episodes replayed over and over again.)

Comment from Alex
Date: December 22, 2008, 5:21 pm

I am a new listener, and so this was the first time I heard this podcast. I really enjoy Radio Lab, and once I have an income I will donate. I do have one question relating to the show: does emergence apply to Wikipedia? One major complaint I hear against Wikipedia is the fact that anyone can contribute at any time to any page. I frequently respond that the pages are monitored by moderators, loyal posters, and (I think) bots. I would think that emergence does show up in the creation and upkeep of pages. I’m not sure if anyone will respond to this post, but I am curious. Please note that I do not work for Wikimedia, or act as a moderator, or even a frequent contributor. I do use Wikipedia to look up many subjects often however.

Comment from Fran
Date: March 5, 2009, 3:30 am

I’ve exhausted my Radio Lab.. what else do you guys like to listen to?
Much appreciated!

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